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Title: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: Tim on October 09, 2005, 06:55:00 pm
Just curious to know if anyone has messed around with color changing LED Christmas lights?? Seems like a neat idea but I’m not seeing a large variety of these lights available.? I came across a few sets on Bronner’s website (http://www.bronners.com/) that look interesting.? Since Bronner’s is fairly close to me, I may check them out in person soon before the mad Christmas rush.? Comments?
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: jonathan cassiday on October 09, 2005, 08:59:05 pm
there are a few websites that deal with LED lights for retrofitting current C-7 light strands, and a few discussing collor changing light bulbs They are as followed

http://www.carpenterdecorating.com/intellashine/IntellashineWebPresence.htm
http://torchreviews.net/ledc7.htm
http://www.holidaylightsandmagic.com/product1.aspx?Product_ID=591
http://www.holidaycreations.com/

there are plenty more that i have not found yet, but they are something i am looking forwad to seeing in use in dispays in municipalities and such. hopefully someday these will be avaliable to the public market.
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: Chris W. Millinship on October 10, 2005, 05:34:06 pm
Hmm, that Torch Reviews Site page looks familiar.... ;)

So far, asides home made ones (the first I produced in around 1996 from a magazine article) the only experience I have with colour changing LED lights is with the Carpenter "Intellishine" C7 style, as per my TRS review. They are entirely self contained and cycle through their colours all by themselves, and are not synchronised with the others. The seemingly random shimmering rainbow effect is very eye-catching and distinctive. See my Displays Archive Site (http://displays.bulbmuseum.net)`s 2004 section for a video showing 15 of them around the front door, apologies for the large file size but if you`re on anything approaching T1 speeds it should be just about manageable :o . Sorry, I don`t know where regular consumers can purchase Intellishine, I was sent them for evaluation with no dealer/pricing info...

There are a few colour changing LED lights appearing here and there this season. New to me are the colour-changing versions of Forever Bright (see here (http://christmas-treasures.com/AboutUs/ChristmasTree/ForeverBright/ForeverBrightMiniIce.htm) for details). I have a set of the yellow/blue on back-order but am told they won`t be available until mid November so don`t know what form the colour effect will take or whether they have a controller of some kind or just use self contained bi-colour LEDs.

My lights display this year will entirely consist of LED lights. Mostly blue and white but some patches of colour here and there, so I would also be keen to see what colour changing LED options there are.

Season`s Greetings!
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: Tim on October 15, 2005, 09:49:21 am
Jonathan & Chris,

Thanks for the response.  I did in fact find Chris’ article when I was searching around the net for these lights.  The Carpenter Intellishine lamps look interesting and I would love to buy some, but they aren't easily found.  According to their website, Bronners here in Michigan is the closest distributor of these lights, but I couldn't find them on their website.  Also, I didn't see any way to contact someone directly at Carpenter through their website.  It looks like this is an emerging technology still in its infancy  :-(

Chris: I also found the Forever Bright color changing LED sets when searching.  Please give us a review of this product after you have had a chance to evaluate them in your own displays.  I'm curious to know more about them.
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: Chris W. Millinship on October 15, 2005, 10:44:54 am
... Forever Bright color changing LED sets when searching.  Please give us a review of this product...

Will do, if they arrive. I was told mid Nov, but when I ordered them the site said late summer (and it was late summer when I ordered) so it could be one of these products that gets pushed back and back and....

-

I did find another colour change LED set recently. They are a UK set but running from a 4 volt DC power supply so could be on sale worldwide with the appropriate transformer. Eight groovy sputnik-looking stars that hang in seperate drops at different lengths, intended to go in a window, each one has a self contained LED with red, blue and (unusually) yellow-green dies and a sequencer chip. Here is a *very* small resolution video (the larger res one was a huge file size, this one is still ~700KB) showing them in action:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.millinship/MOV03047.MPG

Found here: http://festive-lights.com/product_select.asp?product=605 but I don`t know if this Lancashire company will ship internationally.
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: Tim on October 15, 2005, 03:23:49 pm
Hey Chris,

We did some shopping this afternoon at one of our local retail chain stores.  I checked out the Christmas stuff on display, mainly the lights, and was surprised to see some LED sets on the shelf made by Forever Bright.  I immediately started looking for the color changing sets but no luck! Arrrrg!  They must not be in production yet, or there's a holdup somewhere in the production.

I’ll check out the sputnik stars - sounds funky  :lol:
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: Tim on October 31, 2005, 08:21:41 pm
For anyone still interested in this, Menards (http://www3.menards.com/menards?mm_dest=%2Flocator%2Fstorefinder.jsp) (the giant home improvement store) is selling several styles of color changing LED Christmas lights.? I picked up a few sets over the weekend to satisfy my need for a while :)? They are reminiscent of the old Sylvania fluorescent Christmas lights in appearance and color tone.? The effect is cool and I'm looking forward to seeing them on the tree this season.? They are also selling sets of figural neon glow lights with different holiday themed electrodes that glow in neon and argon colors.? These bulbs are about 2 1/2" diameter and I ended up with a set in the shopping cart as well.? They have a big light selection this year - check them out if you're in the US.
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: oldbulb on November 02, 2005, 12:41:21 pm
Just received my Canadian Tire catalogue and they list 35 bulb sets of colour changing LED's for $19.99 Cdn. Some change from red through to  blue, and others from red through to green. You can check them out at canadiantire.ca.  Catalogue No. is 51-2314X. Canadian tire is a very large hardware chain in Canada. Hope this will be of some use to you!
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: Chris W. Millinship on November 05, 2005, 08:13:36 am
Colour-changing ForeverBrights arrived recently and here are some details.

(http://bulbmuseum.net/blueyellowforeverbrightbox.jpg)

They use an electronic control box and what appear to be LEDs with the blue and yellow dies connected in inverse-paralell. There are only three wires that come out of the controller and two of those are the hot/neutral going to the first LED and the female end connector. I can only guess that the AC voltage is selectively PWM-chopped first cutting the "positive" half of the cycle down to almost zero and back, then the "negative" half and vice versa.

(http://bulbmuseum.net/blueyellowforeverbrightcontroller.jpg)

I was curious to see what the insides were like. Not one to let anti-tamper screws get in my way (I laugh at your triangular heads! Try to keep *me* out? Never!) I undid the lid, and.....potted with resin! Now resin *does* keep me out, I havn`t found a solvent that will dissolve it yet and doubt such a thing exists.

(http://bulbmuseum.net/blueyellowforeverbrightcontrollerpotted.jpg)

Now for the best bit, what do they look like when running? Well, it`s quite unusual. The AC/PWM alternating effect make the blue and yellow colours seperate when you turn your head, very eye catching if a bit distracting if they`re on in the background. This long exposure shot shows what I mean...

(http://bulbmuseum.net/blueyellowforeverbrightlitmulti.jpg)

The whole set slowly changes colour in unison, but I find that they don`t ever hit "true blue" and "true yellow/orange" at either end of the cycle, the controller doesn`t reduce the AC halves enough to fully extinguish either half. Blue goes pretty much all-blue with just the slightest orange glow...

(http://bulbmuseum.net/blueyellowforeverbrightlitblue.jpg)

But the blue dominates the "yellow" (orange really) half giving a strange almost high-pressure-sodium-pink hue...

(http://bulbmuseum.net/blueyellowforeverbrightlitorange.jpg)

And in between the colour is an unusual but quite attractive purply pinky sort of colour. Note that the colour saturation in these photos is poor, it`s hard to take accurate photos of LED colours I find. In reality the colours are strong and deep as LEDs are known for

Now I do wonder if my AC frequency (50Hz not 60) or my transformer`s output voltage (nearer 120v than 110) has anything to do with the halves not turning out completely, or maybe it`s normal. Still, it`s very distinctive and certainly interesting technically from a collector`s point of view too.

Also avaliable in red/green and red/blue, both which might give more normal colours.

-

Off topic, but is it me or is *everything* known to the State of California bad for you in some way or another? The amount of tags hanging off USA light sets these days is ridiculous, made worse by this new Proposition 65 thing. Surely it would save them a lot of hassle to just erect large signs by the interstate highways at the CA state borders giving a big statement "Warning - this state contains materials and substances that are, or may be, hazardous to your health in some way. Enter at your own risk". That way, among other things, decoration lights would not have to be adorned with big white labels that stand out like a sore thumb on the average christmas tree.  :roll:  :-P  :-D
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: Christmas Lamp on November 09, 2005, 05:04:29 pm
Interesting Light Set you have there Chris
Thanks For Posting
 :-)
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: jonathan cassiday on November 18, 2005, 08:31:40 pm
I found a set of the same type at Lowes today. Well not exactly the same, mine are the c-6 type bulbs, but they change from blue to yellow. They are relly great, and i love the fact that if they move slightly you can see both teh yellow-orange and the blue at the same time. Although a bit pricy for 35 lites, I am quite pleased. I have also found strings of same color led strings at both Lowes and target. The sets at target were made by/for phillips and are available in solid blue, red and white along with multi color in mini and c-6 sizes. The bulbs in this type are not permanent and are easily reversed if one comes out. They are in a string of 60 and are a little less than the forever bright lites. Lowes carries the foreve4r lites that have already been described along with some other store branded sets that look to use leftover stock of the first generation of led christmas lights and are very low priced, but not of the quality of the new generation. I have also seen some led lights at Kroger in the shapes of candycanes, trees and wreaths. Its great to see that led chgristmas lights are catching on, but i still think that the incandecent light strings will dominate the market due to the throw away nature of our society( although i am not one to throw away a light string, i have mini light strings that are going on 10 years and still look good, secrect to logivety is to replace the burned out bulbs every year) Though i might share some of my local findings concering the led lights. By the way , i live out side Atlanta Georgia, so some of the store mentioned may not be in othe regions.

Jonathan Cassiday
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: Tim on November 22, 2005, 10:25:06 pm
Great info Chris!  Thanks for taking the time to review them for us.  Jonathan - thanks for the Lowes tip.  I haven't been there yet but I also heard that they have some bubble lights in stock too.  I need to make a trip before the mad Christmas rush this weekend.  Speaking of Target, I bought some of those Philips LED strings about a month ago and found the quality to be excellent.  I really like the blue string and plan on using them outside this year.  I was at Target again tonight and found these sets discounted until this weekend at $9.59 for the 60 count strings.  A good excuse to buy more :)
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: starbug on December 16, 2005, 08:36:02 pm
just got these today from the UK

Premier 20 Multi Action Colour Changing LED Xmas Lights? Ref: PREMLV053654
http://www.grovelands.com/acatalog/Low_Voltage_LED_Christmas_Lights.html

(http://www.rippin.f2s.com/IMG_2637.jpg)
(http://www.rippin.f2s.com/IMG_2644.jpg)
(http://www.rippin.f2s.com/IMG_2645.jpg)
(http://www.rippin.f2s.com/IMG_2646.jpg)


video clip of 5. slo-glo? ,, the speed of this goes up and down taking from around 10 seconds the fastest and about 1.30 min the slowest to cylce from red to blue to green to off
http://www.rippin.f2s.com/MVI_2647.avi


Merry Xmas
Ant






Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: Chris W. Millinship on December 17, 2005, 06:19:25 am
Welcome to the Bulb Forums!

Intriguing, thanks for the information. Looks like they took a variation of the standard six-effect controller that you get on chaser sets and used it to control the R/G/B sections of the LEDs individually. First colour change set I`ve seen with a controller on.

And the link.....now look what you made me go and do! I had to get one of those myself, then I noticed they had lots of other colour changing LED sets too.......

:)
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: starbug on December 17, 2005, 08:05:45 am
i have looked for LEDs like this before and could never find them just did a search last monday and found that web site with all sorts of colour changing LED's but the one with the controller caught my eye ,,, it's ashame tht they dont explain on the web site what all the functions of the controller are  , i took a gamble that it would change the colour mix effects , and it does 7 different effects ,,, ok so the LEDs dont blend together that well but its still very eye catching ,,,

if any one wants more info or photos just ask , i did the other photos in a bit of a rush last night just to get the info out as i was very impressed with them ... and wanted to give you a chance to buy them for this years display

so Chris is the 2006 display going to be all colour changing LEDs all contollerd by one controller box

Merry Xmas
Ant

 
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: Chris W. Millinship on December 18, 2005, 05:44:56 pm
The future is uncertain right now, anything could happen in the next 12 months (and I hope it will, in a positive way) but if I do a lights display next year, I would love to include a lot of RGB LED stuff. Maybe it will have just one controller box, but that may be a rather large one (http://lightorama.com), or perhaps something a little simpler (http://www.electro-zone.co.uk/icicle). Or I might just use some more of the self-contained ones from that link up there, depends on how they turn out. I really don`t know what will happen yet....

:o
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: ceesr on October 29, 2006, 08:17:22 am
Does anybody know which 1996 article this is ?


Hmm, that Torch Reviews Site page looks familiar.... ;)

So far, asides home made ones (the first I produced in around 1996 from a magazine article) the only experience I have with colour changing LED lights is with the Carpenter "Intellishine" C7 style, as per my TRS review. They are entirely self contained and cycle through their colours all by themselves, and are not synchronised with the others. The seemingly random shimmering rainbow effect is very eye-catching and distinctive. See my Displays Archive Site (http://displays.bulbmuseum.net)`s 2004 section for a video showing 15 of them around the front door, apologies for the large file size but if you`re on anything approaching T1 speeds it should be just about manageable :o . Sorry, I don`t know where regular consumers can purchase Intellishine, I was sent them for evaluation with no dealer/pricing info...

There are a few colour changing LED lights appearing here and there this season. New to me are the colour-changing versions of Forever Bright (see here (http://christmas-treasures.com/AboutUs/ChristmasTree/ForeverBright/ForeverBrightMiniIce.htm) for details). I have a set of the yellow/blue on back-order but am told they won`t be available until mid November so don`t know what form the colour effect will take or whether they have a controller of some kind or just use self contained bi-colour LEDs.

My lights display this year will entirely consist of LED lights. Mostly blue and white but some patches of colour here and there, so I would also be keen to see what colour changing LED options there are.

Season`s Greetings!
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: Chris W. Millinship on October 29, 2006, 11:55:28 am
It was from a UK magazine "Everyday Practical Electronics". I probably still have that one around somewhere. It`s a simple low voltage analog design that comprises two op-amp based circuits (I think) that drive the red and green halves of three-terminal bicolour LEDs, fading up and down independently. The article set one half at a fixed rate and allowed the other half to be varied. I modded it slightly to allow both halves to be at a variable rate. I think I increased the number of LEDs too but don`t remember. My design runs 20 LEDs but since they`re all in parallel (no other way to do it with that design) it isn`t expandable too far without hitting the limits of the PSU/power transistors.

There are probably better ways to do it these days. Mostly involving PIC microcontrollers, and maybe even the four-terminal RGB LEDs for a full spectrum colour. Unfortunately PIC and the like are something I know little about.

Still, might be able to dig that one out and PDF the article if you`re interested.


:)
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: Mónico González on October 31, 2006, 07:15:34 am
LED multi-color lamps are available from some years ago, not only for Christmas ligthing, but for general decorative purpose.
Two or three years ago, I get a "made in China" 55 mm E27 capped globe bulb, fitted with a not specified number of red, green and blue LED's, (or perhaps one or more tricolor ones; I don't know, because I've been unable to open it and watch inside), that cyclically changes in colour, passing through the whole pure and mixed tones: red, green, blue, magenta, yellow, cyan and white, lasting each individual color for near a second.
Such a lamp are fully self-powered from AC mains voltage and self-controlled, not depending on any external device, so, if some of them are? parallelled at the same circuit (multi-lamp deco fixture, festive garland, etc.) each one will change in colour in a random fashion, "as it own", giving as a result an eye-catching effect. The change transition at this lamp are done in an "abrupt" fashion, not by fading one colour in another one.
The main drawback of these nice lamps are their low light level and the slightly high price of each one, so, for long garlands the whole cost are proportionally high.
Regards,
M. Gonz?lez.
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: Mónico González on October 31, 2006, 07:19:25 am
Sorry, this was a second post of the last message, so I changed the text to avoid a repetition of it.
Regards,
M. Gonz?lez.
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: ceesr on November 01, 2006, 05:02:51 am
Think I have seen that one already...

Anything simular with a PIC and before 1997 would be more than welcome welcome

Here is the reason why it has to be before 1997...

http://www.ledsmagazine.com/objects/features/2/4/10/LEDsMagApr05Patents.pdf

It was from a UK magazine "Everyday Practical Electronics". I probably still have that one around somewhere. It`s a simple low voltage analog design that comprises two op-amp based circuits (I think) that drive the red and green halves of three-
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: jonathan cassiday on October 07, 2007, 07:58:51 pm
Not quite color changing, but this year i have found a LED christmas set offerd by GE. It consists of 50 bulbs, some solid color sets and multi color set of red yellow blue and green. I found them at a Lowes sotre, but i am unsure if they are discontinuing their sale of Forever Bright LED sets becuase they are still listed as a store to find Forever Bright sets. They seem to be of good quality, the lamps are seprate form the sockets, two bulbs come as replacment, and the blue lamps seem to be very well matched as compared to the foreverbright, but the lamp color of the blue lights is not as deep as the forever bright and at about the same price as Forever Bright sets it lacks the extra 20 lamps and the one piece water tight design. I like them so far, but has anyone else found these yet?
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: Steed Holt on November 17, 2007, 11:38:47 pm
I spent my entire day searching for color changing LED Christmas lights, I wanted the kind that "morf" through the color spectrum.  I Googled and used the links here but with little success.  I ended up at eBay and won an auction for these kind of light strings and the type is unusual because of the acrylic star burst covering.  I must say that they were not quite the bargain that I usually find on eBay but the price was below anything else of equal quality.  In that transaction I discovered a site that has a similar product that you all may find of interest.  If so, Go to:
 

I think the Chinese are leading in the LED lighting arena and by next year there should me more lighting available in more places; unfortunately our weak dollar will make future transactions even more costly! (http://www.imaginarycolours.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? screen=PROD&Product_Code=GL408CC&Category_Code=CS&Product_Count=7)
Title: Re: Color changing LED light sets
Post by: adam2 on December 15, 2007, 02:24:34 pm
I made my own colour changing LED lights several years ago, when I first saw clour changing LEDs for sale.
I used 2 wire LEDs that contained three dies and a simple sequencing drive circuit, these were intended for direct drive from 3 alkaline cells.
I wired them all in parralel, and mounted the LEDs in clear plastic stars reclaimed from some defective incandescent Christmas lights.
Power was from a 5 volt DC transformer with a diode wired in series to drop the voltage to about 4.3 volts.

When first turned on, all the LEDs flash together in the same sequence, however after a few minutes they become random and very decorative.

Still working fine.