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BULB DISCUSSION BOARDS => Christmas Lighting => Topic started by: Christmas Lamp on October 22, 2005, 12:36:28 pm
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Also very fond of bubble lights, which I never knew about when I was younger, only discovered them more recently.
How Do you run your Bubblers? I'm trying to get my friend in the US to buy and send me {I Am Paying her for it of Course} a set this season... I Have a Single plug Voltage Converter and I'm just wondering how you do yours
Thanks
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How Do you run your Bubblers?
I have several huge 110 volt building site transformers to run my outdoor displays (lots of American lights out there) that I can use to power them, but those things do need additional wiring to allow the sets to plug in. Also use a simple 300 watt "Sunpower" brand 110 volt transformer from Maplins which has a USA style socket on the front to directly plug in a few sets, that one comes in handy most of the time. I can also run the bulbs from series-wired sets individuallly in seperate screw-in holders run from laboratory type variable power supplies. As well as just being a complete nerd, I work with electronics during the week (fire alarms) and have a few old ones on hand here that can be used for testing individual bulbs. They tend to be rather expensive to buy new though, as well as quite big.
For complete boxed sets, the 110 volt transformers from Maplins are the best choice. Just be careful not to overload them, the maximum power rating is usually printed somewhere, and the power consumption of the lights is usually on the box. A typical modern 7-lamp bubble set will comsume about 30 watts and a vintage series-wired 8 lamp set takes around 25 watts.
:)
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Thanks Chris
Just Looked mine is a Dual Watt one...
This is what it has on the back...
Lo: 0-25 Watts for things like Shavers, Radios, Curling irons, etc
hi: 26-1875 Watts for things Hair dryers, Ions, steamers, etc
Make any Sense to you? My Freind in the US sent the Converter.... I'm Hopping that it will be OK to just Run One Set, what do you think?
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Does it actively change the voltage? Or is it just an adapter that allows one type of plug to fit another socket? To run American-origin lights in this country you need a transformer unit which will drop the 240 volt supply down to 110 - 120 volts, as well as providing an appropriate outlet to plug them in to.
Any way to provide a photo? The fact that one setting allows up to 1875 watts implies it is just a plug adapter which does not change the voltage. To deliver 1875 watts at 110 volts continuously from the UK mains supply needs something around the size of one of these huge yellow things (though not all three)....
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It's a International Converter Set For Overseas use with singel 110 Voltage Products....
On the Back it says that it Converts 220v Foreigen Electricity to 110v for use on most US Appliances rated 0-1875 watts...
I'll Try and Get a Pic later today...
Makes Sense to you Chris?
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It sounds like you should be OK with that one if it says it reduces the voltage.
I`m still intrigued by the 1875 watt rating, perhaps that is an intermittant peak load that it can sustain for only a short time. Those large building site transformers up there will actually deliver 3000 watts peak load for a half hour or so, they are rated for use with power drills etc which are never used constantly. They would overheat if left for much longer with a heavy load like that (ask me how I know ;) ). A smaller unit could certainly give quite a big peak occasional load, but it would be much less if used constantly. That could be what the two range settings are for.
:)
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OK Chris, what Did you Do? :wink:
It Also says Not to use for computers, TV's, Fax Machines, Power Tools or Electronic Comtroller Appliances exceeding 25 watts. This Converter should only be used for short periods of time...
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Not to mention differencies between two mains frequencies (50 or 60Hz) that transformers does not solves.
Most appliances, unless resistive loads as incandescent bulbs, heathers, etc, are still frequency-sensitive, so, a simple change in voltage (step-up or down) are not enough in any cases to guarantee a right performance of the sets connected to their outputs, especially for synchronous motors, AC-controlled clocks, some video-tv equipment... and so on.
Be sure also that such devices used for voltage matching purposes doesn't distort the input waveform, because most electronic appliances doesn't support very well waveforms very different from sinusoidal.
About my favourite Xmas sets, I like too much the older Spanish series of 8 to 10 baseless tipped lamps. On next days I will take a pic for you of one of these simple 125-130 volt sets that probably you ever haven't seen before.
Last models of them, came fitted with 24 volt lamps to match the new voltage of 220-230 volts, but older sets must be wired in series of two of them to can be connected directly to 220-230 volt lines.
Regards.
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Christmas Lamp;
Is that Lo/Hi range converter you have very lightweight and fits easily in the palm of your hand?
I remember cracking open one similar to what I think you have and found circuitry similar to that of
an electronic light dimmer - which would explain the use only for lamps and heaters but NOT
motor based devices, computers and other electronic loads.
Ralph
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Ralph Yes and it's Called Travelwise
I Was Meant to add Last night, but it Doesn't say anything about Light Sets...
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OK Chris, what Did you Do?
Weeellllll.....in 2000, the first time I used USA-origin lights in my outside display, I bought the first 3KVA 110 volt transformer to run them, 3KVA driving a resistive load like lights *should* equate to 3000 watts if I remember correctly. Calculated the load of the lights at under 2500 watts so one of those should be big enough, right? Only I didn`t realise (and it wasn`t stated on the unit) that the 3KVA rating was not for a continuous load but rather an intermittant load with plenty of rest time.
The night the lights were switched on for the first time, I went out for a meal with family and friends for the evening and left the lights on for the neighbors to see. Later that evening when we returned.....darkness. I hadn`t set the automatic timer yet so windered why. The poor transformer was called upon to power about 2200 watts worth of lights which was too much for it. Overheated and something failed internally blowing a fuse, I don`t know how long it took before it cut out but couldn`t have been more than a couple of hours. I managed to get it working again and limping along for the weekend by unplugging some of the lights and placing a large fan in front to cool it until I could get hold of a second one to share the load.
Lesson learned, now I never take those things over around half their rating.
This year is all-LED which should be very kind on the transformers. Early indications say it will be just over 5500 lights and hopefully those will all run safely from one transformer.
:)
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Oh Dear....
So if I have them on for a Short amont of Time, Like 1/2 an hour. I should be OK, do you Think?
I'm Really Looking Forward to seeing your lights this Year
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I would have thought so. I`m not familiar with that kind of electronic style unit but it would probably be OK. Just check now and then that it isn`t getting too warm, but I reckon one set of 7 bubble-lights will be OK.
Lights turn on this December 6th if it all goes to plan. Latest preliminary count has gone up to just over 6000 too!
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Thanks Chris
:-o? 6000? :-o
Lights, I Just hope you get some Decant<sp?> Snow to go with them? :wink:
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What watts does a 7 set of Bubblers run to? Need to work out if I set the Swich to Hi or Lo on my Converter
Thanks
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Modern reproductions generally use 4 watt bulbs so the total load will be 28 watts. Classic vintage sets often used 7 watt bulbs so they would comsume 49 watts.
Bring on the Big Snow! Can`t wait...
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For some reason that one double-posted. And I can`t find a Delete button! Sorry `bout that.
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Modern reproductions generally use 4 watt bulbs so the total load will be 28 watts. Classic vintage sets often used 7 watt bulbs so they would comsume 49 watts.
Bring on the Big Snow! Can`t wait...
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Thanks Chris :-)
Too DARN Right re The Snow :-D :-D :-D
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Well Guy's I've had an e-mail to say that My Friend has Bought them and they will be sent Out this week, so Now I guess it the Waiting game...
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Chris, Please let me know if you get any of that White Stuff... Thanks
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Please let me know if you get any of that White Stuff
Yep, we did. I didn`t think it would do much of anything down here in south east Wales especially this early on in the season, but a half hour of light fluttering this morning just about 0700-0730 made everything look fantastic for a bit. All gone now :( but there`s always the photos...
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Thanks for the Pic Chris 8-)
My Light's were sent out on Wednesday According to an e-mail from my Friend...
I'll Let you all Know when they Get Here..
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:-D THEIR HERE!!!! :-D
Pix to Follow, as they will need Re-sizing
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And More imporantly they LIGHT!!!
I was sent a set of Indoor/Outdoor ones so they are Larger than most others... they are about 14cm from the bottom of the Scocket to the Tip of the tube....